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T O P I C R E V I E Wheadintheclouds91Is it hard for someone to get close enough to hold your heart and have you even when you have strong feelings for the person yourself? Aries23DegreesScorpio is naturally energy that tends towards suspicion and being distrustful.If Venus/Pluto are conjunct, then it suggests that the native may be slow to trust or unfold. Similar approach to Moon/Venus in Scorpio.They are always anticipating a betrayal of trust or having the proverbial mat pulled from under them. Constantly putting the lover through a series of "tests"When I was young, I had transiting Pluto in Scorpio conjunct my natal Venus and my parents experienced the full impact of my intense feelings: Constantly feeling like I wasn't loved enough or that my Father was just not "there" for me etc. So I am familiar with the energy as its often like a dry well that needs constant and consistent fillingI however am a natal Venus in Scorpio conjunct Saturn and am also hard to get close to.But its not because I play hard to get.I just dislike that idea of intense commitment towards me. As it's a little unnerving to know that I am at the center of someone elses existence.Too much responsibility to deal with headintheclouds91What happens when the aspect is a square aspect is it similar to the conj? sarahhmi'm a venus conjunct pluto and my SO is venus square pluto.we spent a lot of time sizing each other up, testing each other, especially me. it wasn't until we had no choice but to work together when we realised that we actually could trust each other.it fluctuated. we did the sizing each other up thingie, then would be affectionate then back to being ******** ... mildly. for me it was interrogating him on his opinions and beliefs to check his integrity and so on, his version was just not giving information until asked for it. we did that while cuddling. lolCosmiqPhuz quote:Originally posted by headintheclouds91:Is it hard for someone to get close enough to hold your heart and have you even when you have strong feelings for the person yourself? Yes. Venus conjunct Pluto in Scorpio girlwiththerainysoulvenus/pluto aspects work differently in men and women in my experience..the conjunction:- in a woman, I have noticed a few of them avoiding relationships in general, and displaying a nun-like behavior. quite distrustful- in men, it can bring the same distrust, but mostly it gives them a controlling woman as their partnersquare and opposition (the most common theme for people who get caught in triangles):- in women, they become rather obsessive in love and have a tendency to go after unavailable/married/engaged men- in men, they are mostly attracted to loose women (not necessarily prostitutes) and often get cheated on or at least heavily lied tothe case is way worse for the opposition, and they seem to have no control over choosing the people they love. those with the square are more careful but often end up in the same situation anyway, but have a much easier time getting themselves out.CosmiqPhuz quote:Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:the conjunction:- in men, it can bring the same distrust, but mostly it gives them a controlling woman as their partner2 of my exes (also happen to be my longest and most serious relatonships) were pretty controlling in hindsight.headintheclouds91 quote:Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:square and opposition (the most common theme for people who get caught in triangles):- in women, they become rather obsessive in love and have a tendency to go after unavailable/married/engaged men.I don`t like unavailable men but have unfortunately attracted men that are taken that wants to use me as a secret pleasure a few times. But i can be very secretly obsessive when in love. hypatia238 quote:Originally posted by headintheclouds91:Is it hard for someone to get close enough to hold your heart and have you even when you have strong feelings for the person yourself? Well my ex has Venus conjunct pluto and I have Venus sextile pluto and we fell in love very quickly, we can't resist each other, we are each other's weakness but we both have moon in Pisces as well so maybe that factors in.Starry~*Hi there - Pluto conjunct venus/merc in Scorpio and very tight.Yes. I am very suspicious of everything and I don't trust at all. That's also why it takes me a lonnnngggg time to open up. I don't know if this person will stick around long enough and have the patience with me so I need to see what he/she is made of. I know I'm not an easy person to deal with, all the reason why it's important that the person I'm gonna trust is someone for SURE will stick around and let me slowly open up.BeholdAstarteYeah to a certain extent, I think it depends, if I'm not vibing someone, then yes there seems to be this distance. I'm very suspicious and paranoid of people's intentions, and I can read into people pretty accurately, sometimes if I see habits/traits in others that turn me off I kind of don't pay that much attention to them anymore. Like I'll be so interested in people I meet, sometimes once I figure someone out I won't be interested anymore and move on to another interest. Some guys will be so cute and try to pursue me for so long and I'll hold myself back because I don't want to give the wrong impression or I don't like them that much for whatever reason? No soul connection? But if I meet someone I totally vibe with I'll want to be everything and all things with each other, and they will almost just "jump" in and I'll get fully submerged. If I'm really into someone then there's nothing that holds me back other than yes.. My fear of betrayal. But I'll give the ones I love everything I got! I'm always a little spacey and distant at times, but when I love someone I want them to love me just as intensely as I love them, if I hold their heart, they hold mine. My Venus is conj Pluto in Scorpio on DC Starry~* quote:Originally posted by BeholdAstarte:Yeah to a certain extent, I think it depends, if I'm not vibing someone, then yes there seems to be this distance. I'm very suspicious and paranoid of people's intentions, and I can read into people pretty accurately, sometimes if I see habits/traits in others that turn me off I kind of don't pay that much attention to them anymore. Like I'll be so interested in people I meet, sometimes once I figure someone out I won't be interested anymore and move on to another interest. Some guys will be so cute and try to pursue me for so long and I'll hold myself back because I don't want to give the wrong impression or I don't like them that much for whatever reason? No soul connection? But if I meet someone I totally vibe with I'll want to be everything and all things with each other, and they will almost just "jump" in and I'll get fully submerged. If I'm really into someone then there's nothing that holds me back other than yes.. My fear of betrayal. But I'll give the ones I love everything I got! I'm always a little spacey and distant at times, but when I love someone I want them to love me just as intensely as I love them, if I hold their heart, they hold mine. My Venus is conj Pluto in Scorpio on DC Well said! ^ Pretty much.PixieJaneI don't think it is, but I could see others thinking so as I'm not one to be glued to other people. 12muddyNah when I like someone I get close right away. But I only have the sextile. Sandra018 quote:Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:square and opposition (the most common theme for people who get caught in triangles):- in women, they become rather obsessive in love and have a tendency to go after unavailable/married/engaged menthe case is way worse for the opposition, and they seem to have no control over choosing the people they love. those with the square are more careful but often end up in the same situation anyway, but have a much easier time getting themselves out.[/B]i have venus pluto opposition and i agree with the above.i am curious, however,why you say we go for unavailable/married men? can you please explain where that is coming from?SulkyarcherWhen it comes to friendship, I don't mind talking to a lot of people.When it comes to love, yeah, I am hard to get close to. It's mostly because I have no chemistry with them.ReadytochillOh gosh yes! I keep things superficial and light. If you want to delve deep, good luck! I think I can express the deeper side of me on places like this but in person and with people I have to see, it's so different. Even more so when I have strong feelings for someone. It's going to take a long time for me to open up. I wish I could trust people but I feel like most people don't have the best intentions.PixieJane quote:Originally posted by BeholdAstarte:I'm very suspicious and paranoid of people's intentions, and I can read into people pretty accuratelyHow do you use the Law of Attraction in trying to overcome this (whether it's the paranoia or the kind of people you attract)? sorenThe only way to get more back is to give more. You'd have to dedicate yourself more to the people who are supposedly might be out to get you. But to think its "you" against "them" would not be the most spiritual thought, as you could think everyone is just in need of help and everyone is goodTo attract more, you actually have to work in able to do it. I could think how I want to be a nomad and strive through the mountains. But then I'd actually have to put in effort, and seeing as that puts it into reality more and into perspective (my imaginings) it seems it wouldn't be that great. There are some things that are out of the law of attraction. Though our imagination is basically based off this reality and we can attain things that are close. Like I could attain my dream of being a nomad, with a group of 7-10 boys/girls, striving across open plains and places with trees, on mountains, for some reason as if we had to be doing that and it was what we were wanting to do. But to "attract" this you would have to think about how to actually attain it, and then you consider the probabilities of it actually happening, because there is some people in my town, and most of them aren't very active, well i dont really know. just the ones im thinking about. so i'd have to advertise online, travel to different cities, meet different people, all in all the law of attraction can be a lot of work. Which is why for me, it's working on a heart level, where I do what I want to do, I want to feel pleasure, then you do something that makes you feel that. You want to excersise, then you do it. It's working on a higher level. All in all you could say that my soul is just being attracted to complaining that i'll never be a nomad meanwhile it's enjoying as it is. your soul is being attracted to its greatest loveSome people just are more aware of what their path is going to be on. Like when I go on a walk I might say hello to someone, i might see a fish. Someone else who thinks about law of attraction will think how they just tried to go out into the world for positive experiences, and they attracted it themselves. If you are conscious of it, then sure. girlwiththerainysoul quote:Originally posted by Sandra018: i have venus pluto opposition and i agree with the above.i am curious, however,why you say we go for unavailable/married men? can you please explain where that is coming from?to be honest, I am pretty clueless as to why.I myself have the sesquiquadrate which supposedly works similar to a square.another user said that she doesn't follow them but she attracts them. same for me. although these are the two sides of the same coin. it's as if we give off this troublesome vibe in love, which attracts people who look for trouble.it may also be because the more painful the love, the more real and true we find it (?)
If Venus/Pluto are conjunct, then it suggests that the native may be slow to trust or unfold. Similar approach to Moon/Venus in Scorpio.
They are always anticipating a betrayal of trust or having the proverbial mat pulled from under them. Constantly putting the lover through a series of "tests"
When I was young, I had transiting Pluto in Scorpio conjunct my natal Venus and my parents experienced the full impact of my intense feelings: Constantly feeling like I wasn't loved enough or that my Father was just not "there" for me etc.
So I am familiar with the energy as its often like a dry well that needs constant and consistent filling
I however am a natal Venus in Scorpio conjunct Saturn and am also hard to get close to.But its not because I play hard to get.
I just dislike that idea of intense commitment towards me. As it's a little unnerving to know that I am at the center of someone elses existence.Too much responsibility to deal with
we spent a lot of time sizing each other up, testing each other, especially me. it wasn't until we had no choice but to work together when we realised that we actually could trust each other.
it fluctuated. we did the sizing each other up thingie, then would be affectionate then back to being ******** ... mildly. for me it was interrogating him on his opinions and beliefs to check his integrity and so on, his version was just not giving information until asked for it.
we did that while cuddling. lol
quote:Originally posted by headintheclouds91:Is it hard for someone to get close enough to hold your heart and have you even when you have strong feelings for the person yourself?
Yes.
Venus conjunct Pluto in Scorpio
the conjunction:
- in a woman, I have noticed a few of them avoiding relationships in general, and displaying a nun-like behavior. quite distrustful
- in men, it can bring the same distrust, but mostly it gives them a controlling woman as their partner
square and opposition (the most common theme for people who get caught in triangles):
- in women, they become rather obsessive in love and have a tendency to go after unavailable/married/engaged men
- in men, they are mostly attracted to loose women (not necessarily prostitutes) and often get cheated on or at least heavily lied to
the case is way worse for the opposition, and they seem to have no control over choosing the people they love. those with the square are more careful but often end up in the same situation anyway, but have a much easier time getting themselves out.
quote:Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:the conjunction:- in men, it can bring the same distrust, but mostly it gives them a controlling woman as their partner
2 of my exes (also happen to be my longest and most serious relatonships) were pretty controlling in hindsight.
quote:Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:square and opposition (the most common theme for people who get caught in triangles):- in women, they become rather obsessive in love and have a tendency to go after unavailable/married/engaged men.
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I don`t like unavailable men but have unfortunately attracted men that are taken that wants to use me as a secret pleasure a few times. But i can be very secretly obsessive when in love.
Well my ex has Venus conjunct pluto and I have Venus sextile pluto and we fell in love very quickly, we can't resist each other, we are each other's weakness but we both have moon in Pisces as well so maybe that factors in.
Yes. I am very suspicious of everything and I don't trust at all. That's also why it takes me a lonnnngggg time to open up. I don't know if this person will stick around long enough and have the patience with me so I need to see what he/she is made of. I know I'm not an easy person to deal with, all the reason why it's important that the person I'm gonna trust is someone for SURE will stick around and let me slowly open up.
If I'm really into someone then there's nothing that holds me back other than yes.. My fear of betrayal. But I'll give the ones I love everything I got! I'm always a little spacey and distant at times, but when I love someone I want them to love me just as intensely as I love them, if I hold their heart, they hold mine.
My Venus is conj Pluto in Scorpio on DC
quote:Originally posted by BeholdAstarte:Yeah to a certain extent, I think it depends, if I'm not vibing someone, then yes there seems to be this distance. I'm very suspicious and paranoid of people's intentions, and I can read into people pretty accurately, sometimes if I see habits/traits in others that turn me off I kind of don't pay that much attention to them anymore. Like I'll be so interested in people I meet, sometimes once I figure someone out I won't be interested anymore and move on to another interest. Some guys will be so cute and try to pursue me for so long and I'll hold myself back because I don't want to give the wrong impression or I don't like them that much for whatever reason? No soul connection? But if I meet someone I totally vibe with I'll want to be everything and all things with each other, and they will almost just "jump" in and I'll get fully submerged. If I'm really into someone then there's nothing that holds me back other than yes.. My fear of betrayal. But I'll give the ones I love everything I got! I'm always a little spacey and distant at times, but when I love someone I want them to love me just as intensely as I love them, if I hold their heart, they hold mine. My Venus is conj Pluto in Scorpio on DC
Well said! ^ Pretty much.
quote:Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:square and opposition (the most common theme for people who get caught in triangles):- in women, they become rather obsessive in love and have a tendency to go after unavailable/married/engaged menthe case is way worse for the opposition, and they seem to have no control over choosing the people they love. those with the square are more careful but often end up in the same situation anyway, but have a much easier time getting themselves out.[/B]
the case is way worse for the opposition, and they seem to have no control over choosing the people they love. those with the square are more careful but often end up in the same situation anyway, but have a much easier time getting themselves out.[/B]
i have venus pluto opposition and i agree with the above.i am curious, however,why you say we go for unavailable/married men? can you please explain where that is coming from?
When it comes to love, yeah, I am hard to get close to. It's mostly because I have no chemistry with them.
Even more so when I have strong feelings for someone. It's going to take a long time for me to open up. I wish I could trust people but I feel like most people don't have the best intentions.
quote:Originally posted by BeholdAstarte:I'm very suspicious and paranoid of people's intentions, and I can read into people pretty accurately
How do you use the Law of Attraction in trying to overcome this (whether it's the paranoia or the kind of people you attract)?
To attract more, you actually have to work in able to do it. I could think how I want to be a nomad and strive through the mountains. But then I'd actually have to put in effort, and seeing as that puts it into reality more and into perspective (my imaginings) it seems it wouldn't be that great. There are some things that are out of the law of attraction. Though our imagination is basically based off this reality and we can attain things that are close. Like I could attain my dream of being a nomad, with a group of 7-10 boys/girls, striving across open plains and places with trees, on mountains, for some reason as if we had to be doing that and it was what we were wanting to do. But to "attract" this you would have to think about how to actually attain it, and then you consider the probabilities of it actually happening, because there is some people in my town, and most of them aren't very active, well i dont really know. just the ones im thinking about. so i'd have to advertise online, travel to different cities, meet different people, all in all the law of attraction can be a lot of work. Which is why for me, it's working on a heart level, where I do what I want to do, I want to feel pleasure, then you do something that makes you feel that. You want to excersise, then you do it. It's working on a higher level.
All in all you could say that my soul is just being attracted to complaining that i'll never be a nomad meanwhile it's enjoying as it is. your soul is being attracted to its greatest love
Some people just are more aware of what their path is going to be on. Like when I go on a walk I might say hello to someone, i might see a fish. Someone else who thinks about law of attraction will think how they just tried to go out into the world for positive experiences, and they attracted it themselves. If you are conscious of it, then sure.
quote:Originally posted by Sandra018: i have venus pluto opposition and i agree with the above.i am curious, however,why you say we go for unavailable/married men? can you please explain where that is coming from?
to be honest, I am pretty clueless as to why.
I myself have the sesquiquadrate which supposedly works similar to a square.
another user said that she doesn't follow them but she attracts them. same for me. although these are the two sides of the same coin. it's as if we give off this troublesome vibe in love, which attracts people who look for trouble.
it may also be because the more painful the love, the more real and true we find it (?)
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